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Just finished reading "Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus" by Orson Scott Card. Loved it. Thanks to zinderfine for recommending it. I'd had it on my shelf for a few years and decided to read it after finishing R. Scott Bakker's "The Darkness That Comes Before", which I also really enjoyed. I'm definitely planning on ordering the other two in Bakker's series but probably won't buy anything else by Orson Scott Card, mainly because he chooses to put forth his personal prejudices (and hate) along with his professional image. No thanks. Love your writing but not interested in supporting you. I'd prefer to spend my money supporting writers that are either keeping their writing and personal prejudices opinions separate, or those that choose to use their powers for the betterment of humanity.
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Now I'm reading the first book of C.S Friedman's most recent series, Feast of Souls (The Magister Trilogy). Really enjoying it. I love her work and the Coldfire Trilogy was probably one of my favourite fantasy series.

There's a reason why I own so many books. I really do love reading. Problem is, I buy books that I think I'll enjoy faster than I can read them! Of course, this is really only a problem for my wallet! ^_^
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Please explain to me where OSC does anything like that? He's ranks in my top 2 favourite authors, and I've yet to notice hate in anything he writes. A common theme of his is finding middle ground, such as in Treason, where the quite outstanding view is that radical lefties and radical righties are whacked. Anyhow, I would really like to hear why you think what you do.

It's not in his writing. As I said, I love his writing. What I have issue with is that he is very active about putting the weight of his name behind his views on homosexuality.

While I'm sure there are better sources... here's a blurb from wikipedia:

Card has called same-sex marriage a "potentially devastating social experiment" and argued that same-sex marriage is not necessary to ensure equal rights, since "Any homosexual man who can persuade a woman to take him as her husband can avail himself of all the rights of husbandhood under the law."[20] He claims that "gay activism as a movement is no longer looking for civil rights, which by and large homosexuals already have."[21] He also says he is against "changing the word 'marriage' to apply to something it's never applied to."[22]
With regard to the acceptance of legal same-sex marriage in Massachusetts and California, Card writes that "The first and greatest threat from court decisions in California and Massachusetts, giving legal recognition to "gay marriage," is that it marks the end of democracy in America. (etc)
Actually, that's probably a pretty tame excerpt and it does continue with more about his views on homosexuality specifically and not just gay marriage. Ender's Game is probably one of my favourite books of all time but I was disappointed to hear about his rather active stance on these issues.

A part of me wants to say "Oh well, it's not in his writing" and another part of me thinks that I don't want to support anyone who speaks out against people of different race, gender OR sexual preference. Your mileage, of course, may vary.

Ahh, I see.

I have my own opinions. I'm decidedly anti-marriage. I think if churches want it, let them have it, and revoke any legal rights that go with marriage. Separate the church and the state for ever and for good!

Then, make something better, call it something different, and any pair who wants it can have it for a fee. I even think the gov't should require it renewed every 5 years like a driver's license.

But every time I say that someone starts to yell at me. I still say, if the church wants marriage, let them have it, and let it mean nothing more than what it means within the religion. Legally, make something better.

I'm not sure if OSC would agree with that or not, but I don't really care because I pay him to entertain me. I don't really care what any celebrity believes, just as I didn't find it relevant that Bill Clinton got head in the Whitehouse. I don't think someone's views or practices are my business, nor do I think that it necessarily affects the way they do their job. I don't have to agree with someone to pay for their services. Hell, if I employed that practice, I'd never get anything done! :-) Moreover, no one would EVER hire me. ;-)


haha! Good points indeed.

I guess for me the line is where someone actively goes out and pushes those opinions. A positive example (for me) would be Angelina Jolie becoming a Goodwill Ambassador and using her fame/status to influence people to help others who are less fortunate.

In any case, OSC's a damned good writer and I think I'd have to really know more about the whole "love the sinner, hate the sin" schtick that he's been accused of perpetuating before I could really say more.

I think I'll make a post in my own journal about the gay marriage issue, instead of soap boxing here.

As for OSC, he's a Mormon, we know that and I'm not sure where CLDS falls on the right-left spectrum, though I always thought they were rather leftist, maybe not as much as the Sally Ann, but along those lines. So, it does kind of surprise me, but I might also be wrong about the LDS.

I still can't hold pushing one's opinions as a line. Do I ask the cashier at the grocery store if she's ever protested against abortion, and do I boycott that grocery store because they hire people who push views that aren't like mine?

As for celebrities, I have always wondered why people approach a level of worship for people who are "famous" when they bleed red and put their pants on one leg at a time just like you and I. It's true that they have a louder voice, but that doesn't mean anyone should listen to them based solely on their fame. I know people do, but it befuddles me as to why. I put the onus on the people who are listening blindly, and not the person speaking though, we should teach our children better than that.

In any case, OSC is a brilliant author and I find a great deal of wisdom and entertainment in his writing. If he has opinions that I don't agree with, that doesn't make him any different than any other person I know either. I also think his views will do him more harm than they will ever further his cause. That being said, he is one of my favourite authors and I wasn't even aware of it until you told me, so his views aren't that widely spread at this point.

I'll keep reading, especially the Ender series, because I love that Universe. I'll watch the world change, hopefully for the better, with or without his opinion.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't expect the cashier at the grocery store to TELL me what her stance is on abortion unless I actually ask. I'm also not shopping at that store specifically to support her, so I find it a bit different but meh.

I do see your point, I guess I'm just leaning more towards a different point of view for myself. :)
Glad you enjoyed the book. He's supposed to be under contract to write two more for a series, but it's been so long.

My view on the whole issue discussed above is that I find it really disappointing when talent I enjoy turns out to have completely bat-shit views on things that completely go against my own. It's like finding out an actor you really dig happens to be a bloody scientologist.

I suppose it matters how close you are to the issue and how loud that particular person is about their views. Generally I can keep enjoying their work if they keep their personal views out of it. I haven't heard a peep out of Jason Lee on the subject of scientology, so it doesn't piss me off as much.

From what you wrote about OSC it sounds like he IS keeping his writing and personal opinions separate. I totally understand you not wanting to support him though. If I was really into Tom Cruise as an actor, it would probably really turn me off that he was so loud about his views in real life. I guess you have to find a balance between being enriched by a work and standing up for your personal views anyway you can.

I know you have ten thousand books waiting to be read so I don't think it'll be that painful avoiding Card's work and fulfilling those needs. :)
I think the best point here is:
"I know you have ten thousand books waiting to be read so I don't think it'll be that painful avoiding Card's work and fulfilling those needs. :)"

I might even have some more of his books waiting to be read! So hard to keep track! lol

Ahh... scientology. That sure made my opinion of a few people change. Just couldn't look at them the same.